Megasquirt vag coils. 49529483457_4d556a712a_k.
Megasquirt vag coils To cut things short, the engine is a Nissan CA18DET and has been running I think they're referring to the MS2/E style 'LED driver' circuits used to fire logic-level COPs. (fed 12v Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. The EDIS ones I use have mounting lugs which fit one of the coil bolts and a flexible lead with connector. 36-1 crank wheel. 8T coils didn't fit. Post by BlackBird_SR71 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:49 am. I run my VAG 032 905 106B - 4 tower wasted spark logic coil with modified version of the circuit described in manual under : "5. Never could get the VAG coils to work. 0 page for a similar design. This allows the ECU to directly drive high current coils or coilpacks. 8t had resistance issues but the 2. But know that megasquirt recommends using 5v pnp circuit for VAG coils but i run straight out and it has worked for many years for 1000hp / 3bar ++ Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. However the MS3X coil drivers won't work with the stock VAG coils without booster circuitry, there are a bunch of Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. The TC4427 FETs discussed in 5. 1/4m 11. These are setup as wasted spark, coil on plug. 6 VR6 11. I'm still going to run wasted spark, except using a smart coil this time. MS2/Extra, MS2, Microsquirt and Microsquirt Fitted to many VAG vehicles including 1. I decided to post in this section since i found more threads by other people which attempted to use VAG coils. If your VAG coils have over 1k resistance you can use them on a 3x. Megasquirt 2 / Microsquirt / Microsquirt module. jpg . The system was MS3X sequential and I could not get it to perform reliably driving then-new VAG 115 coils. I had this same problem. Some VAG coils need external drivers, some don't. All the ones I have seen (VW 1. See also MS3 manuals. I'm installing MS3 on BMW m20 engine and would like install VAG coils. Could I use a Bosch 211 ignition Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. 8t VAG coils, stock injectors 213cc for now. Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, MENU. 57 Ignition LS1 coils running full sequential As noted in your other post the easiest way to run VAG coils is with TC4427 FETs. First being GM LS2 coils. 3 of the MS3 Base V3. Post by rickb794 » Wed Feb That edis coil is old tech. General support questions and Since I am running these 4 VAG coils in wasted spark, is this important for me to do? IF so, any good references to a write-up for the wiring for this? I remember a long time ago (on my old boosted Ford Probe V6) I had to wire in a few BIP373 drivers to run the coil pack. 2 to 1. I will be removing the CANH and CANL as I need SPR4 to drive a coil. Top. The third is the VAG coil which use a mosfet and draw around 600ma. 7K resistor Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. Okay so I'm back with a new MS3x, new R8 coils (prof315 informed me that the VAG coils for the 1. LAV1000 So if VAG coils are driving you nuts, try a capacitor!-Alex. but ive always So my VAG COPs measured 389 ohms. Are these 036905715F coils powerfull enough for my engine? It is a 3. 0t/vr6 ones don't), Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. Temporarily shut down - back soon! QuadraMAP Sensor 5V PNP drive for VAG logic COPs Not shown. prof315 Super MS/Extra'er Posts: 4151 Joined: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:13 am Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Megasquirt 3. You can cut about 10mm from the metal shield end. See the V3. Linfert Performance/321 Motorsports SCCA 2019 SM National Champion Crew Chief Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. 6 litre mk4 Golfs. General support questions and I had very good results and easy instal/control with VAG coils and MICROSQUIRT on my V-twin bike. 57 is an ECU based on Megasquirt-3 technology, consisting internally of an MS3 card and an MS3X expansion card installed on a surface mount V3. (Covers all Megasquirt versions and board. Nothing worked to fix it. I thaught it may helps. Post by Madkaw » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:37 pm. FAQ; Board index . 1980s vw /vag coil issues-overheating. I also ordered a genuine VW coil. Newer VAG (VW / Audi) coils handle overdwell this way. support 400bhp with no problem. . My Coils are a three pin Talks more about the 4 pin set up from the vag cars with diagram Regards. When using TC4427 give it 5V. 07ms duration. Do I have to crack my ECU open and solder in a circuit or can I do it externally? If I can do it externally, then I Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. Manual says you can use 06b905115 rev b and rev e coils. The led drivers work on those and the coils are a lot more reliable. 2 posts • Page 1 of 1. OEM EFI Hardware. 1. I connected the coils For the ignition I have VAG 036905715F coils. Spark A to Right of R26 to Pin 7 on the CPU Spark B to Bottom of R29 to Pin 8 on the CPU Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. Bruce suggests a high side control buffer pnp circuit to provide the the current as it is greater than the 25ma at 5v the processor pin can supply, the the bench testing Bruce did indicates the vag coils draw more than 20ma at 5v to function. I apologize in advance since i need your help but not using megasquirt. I can't work out what I'm doing wrong. I tried to use the logic VAG coils, which work very great, but they work great only if use 4 instead of 8. General. I also have vw vag coils on the plug. Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, we really need to be talking about how the coil reacts to the input pulses, AC and fast-rising. 29 posts Previous; 1; 2; SteinOnkel Experienced MS/Extra'er Posts: 150 Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:54 am. 4 Logic spark outputs - resistor method" By saying "modified", I'm saying that I had to replace 4. MENU . (FET method), especially as it works with ALL logic coils including the often problematic but popular VAG coils. how many milliamps on the input signal do the low resistance vag coils draw when triggered ballpark? under 100? v2. If you're using the VAG coils with the low-impedance input (a few hundred ohms), you're never going to have happy motoring without a driver circuit Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, Check 5. Audi R8 Coils are 0 - 5 Volt Logic Coils. I have not researched these coils, but a dwell table or fixed dwell must be used. but all the VAG coils that I've run into (from 20v VW, 24v VW, Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, 4 tower wasted spark VAG. Re: Wiring Megasquirt for Audi coils plus other ?'s (turborabbit77) That is the longer of the two that i was describing above because they require a +5v signal. You do not have the For the ignition I have VAG 036905715F coils. Skip to content . The Megasquirt must receive its tach input from a crank or distributor pickup. Toyota/Denso Honda/Denso K coils and LSX are the most commonly used COP/CNPs that are "plug and play" with the 3X Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3 I'm trying to make head and tail of the logic coil wiring. Im new here and new to megasquirt/microsquirt. These use either an IGBT or mosfet, but draw 20ma of current. ” At the coil connector, capacitors are installed on the signal and the power circuits. 49529254291_ae9a5ec43f_k. V3. General support questions and announcements for Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. 0 ms to 3. Cadillac Northstars from 04 and up are using logic level pencil coils that are electrically the same as LS coils. Ask questions about DIY board assembly issues, fault finding and testing. however only the MS3 Pro can fire these directly. 8 20v Naturally Aspirated Hey guys, I'm new to standalone management but have been reading for quite some time, picking up parts and am ready to play with Megasquirt (MS2) using the Microsquirt Controller. I'm tuning my car and i've installed 4 VAG coils (06B 905 115 is the code, i don't know wich revision, the coils look like the one in the attached photo) , and i got a problem with the coils. MS3x spark outputs require minimum of 1kohm in line, VAG coils have 390 ohm. And then Eric Law (elaw) determined that this metal tube is part of the grounding system for the coil. When using the MSD digital 6 box in particular, some have experienced problems with the above layout as the ignition transistor Q16, does not give a A forum for discussing the MegaSquirt related (but non-B&G) board development, assembly, installation, and testing. (X25XEI / X30XEI), 36-1 crank wheel + hall sensor, 1. Im building a VW Polo Engine Anyone whos done similar or has an advice for me please post I would apriciate it. I also no nothing about VAG coils, except that more info is probably needed. In attached MSQ file please disregard all spark, Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. My problem is that this engine uses 8 coil plugs, two coil plugs for each cylinder. General support questions and Hello guys and happy new year to everyone. 0 PWM CL Idle, PWM CL Boostcontroller, 4-Coil near plug, Launch/Flatshift, internal Bluetooth 60ft 1. Ms3pro no spark. The notable exception is 01 and up VAG coils ( VAG being Volkswagen Audi Group) they require the external buffer or alternate FET logic driver circuit using TC4427s. On the manual it says "a buffer circuit is required Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. 14 posts • Page 1 of 1. No Exception (i. Resistance measured at 390 ohms. Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro 4 tower wasted spark VAG. The MS3X/V3. FAQ; I installed VAG coils on my BMW m20 engine, Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. @ 190 km/h. pelle17b Helpful MS This ^^ the VAG coils did overheat once or twice with the heat from the exhaust header when stopped and idling for very long periods The reason I chose to do it was to implement sequential ignition with the new Megasquirt Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. 2 mainboard wiring Megasquirt V3. Then second set of coils are the nissan p12 coils, these use an IGBT and draw 20ma as well. In this PDF, are what today's state of the art Delphi coils can do. 8t and may other VAG cars High-current coil - requires an ignition module or a high-current output from the ECU See the relevant page: Megasquirt V2. Im yet to have fully built the project and as such do not have a msq file or data logs as im yet to play with the microsquirt. I know that people have previously used the VAG coils 06B 905 115L and so wiring diagrams and advice exist for these coils and it makes sense to use them. 5V PNP drive for VAG logic COPs Not shown. If you are running the 3 wire coils you If you have a uS and want vag you can run the hitachi bolt down coils (or highly unrecommended early push down coils). This is as simple as taking out the old coil packs and ignitor, plug in the new coils, connect the new harness and you are up and running! Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. General support questions and You have obviously read section 5. The VW 106B/106E coil is a popular choice for this application. ChristianK MS/Extra Newbie Posts: 31 Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:40 am. Accel 140040 LS Truck coils with heat sink on top V8 Buick LS high-impedance injectors My questions are in RED. 150509pl. Moderators: jsmcortina, muythaibxr. See: Primary Charge Time (14 V) on top of page five; the values range from 2. See also MS3 manuals Additionally, I purchased 6 Audi R8 ignition coils (without doing the research Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. General support questions and Hello, Will the GB14C40L Ignition driver be able to power my VAG coils in wasted spark 4 cylinder, or its too overkill? I have 4 of these igniters in my MS. You need 1 VB921 for every coil you run. 6/3. The 3pin just have no amp and require a driver, stock or bips act similar. VAG Coils and voltage dividers. 5ms dwell and . 5 EFI MS2 V3 EDIS Tech Edge O2 Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro 4 tower wasted spark VAG. 8 sec. Intermotor 12919 To spark Switched plugs 2&3 12V supply Spark B Megasquirt Spark A Customised for logic spark outputs Good To spark engine ground plugs 1&4 Page 98 4 = Spark input signal 3 5 = Spark input signal 4 6 = 12V supply Switched spark 12V supply plugs Spark D Spark C Megasquirt Spark B Hey there r/megasquirt! I'm running a turbo V8 with an MS2 V3 and have 8 VAG ( 6E 905 115E) coils. The motor I'm trying to get going is a 2jz-ge non vvti. -Paul 1992 Corrado SLC 3. Post by SteinOnkel » Tue Jan 11, Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. From what I understand, the MS3x can not drive these coils on its own. Audi R8 VAG coils with MS3X. you need to same mod used with the VAG coils to fire them with the DIY version of the ms3. The MegaSquirt-II Sequencer™ allows the use of multiple coils in wasted spark or coil-per-cylinder set-ups. MENU. The r8 style vag coils are only a little cooler than the lq9/d585 ls coils. Everything is wires, soldered and shrink wrapped. 8t, VW 2L FSI, VW 24v VR6 in 2. With the VAG coil with its well insulated plug it is not so obvious how the flashover could be coupling back into the trigger signals from the MSII. yes Bruce Bench tested the vag coils. MS3x 3. I have some data for one VAG COP coil model. I am going to order one today. MS2/Extra, MS2, Microsquirt and Microsquirt I have and issue with tc4427 circuits and some VAG COPs they shut the computer down when you try to start the car ( it ran with them for a few days now it kills the computer ) my other car uses LS coils and I have spares and was going to hook them to the outputs and see if they kill the computer powder as well to figure out if it's the coil and Okay technically this isn't a "Megasquirt success story" but it's Megasquirt-related and I thought it might be of some interest to people here. Additionally, I purchased 6 Audi R8 ignition coils (without doing the So, I have been reading and reading and haven't been able to figure out why my system wont fire. Still learning I have 4 of these igniters in my MS. nathanhardy Master MS/Extra'er Posts: 707 Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:13 am. It had noise problems, and is not recommended, that model was discontinued. Ms3 v3 no spark. Rover SD1 3. One old version of a microsquirt had built in drivers for lgnition. The coils are VAG 06A 905 115D, updated from the 06B coils from the last decade. 2 box, ms2, dual wheel, sequential ignition, staged injection, 1) CA18DET VAG ignition coil PnP harness: This is exactly what it says. Left up to me I would use a VAG wasted spark smart coil or LS type COP and a crank trigger. 3. 38@120 - MS3 Pro Ultimate - Microsquirt I/O - Can Too much the coils will get hot, too little the spark isnt as hot. 57 specific installation details and should be used in conjunction with the general Megasquirt-3 Setting up and Megasquirt-3 TunerStudio reference I've used Megasquirt (MS2) before on a turboed bmw M30B35 motor with no issues, but the MS3X is giving me some headaches. 11 posts • Page 1 of 1. 5 while I am starting, the dwell pops up to 5 on the gauge. thank you!! this is why manufacturers still make money!! ya temperature kills them. 0 V6 24v with a single turbo making 256Hp at 0,6 bar boost. Engine spec's so far AFH 1. I have run through all the pre-start checks and have clean signals from MAP, IAT Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. I talked with a guy working at VAG and he sad they had problems with a coils before and he recommended a few things to skip this problem. One driver is required per coil channel. MS3X spark outputs run thru 2N4033 circuits. 3 pg. signal ground must be minimum 2,5 wire Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. still wasnt right so i tried again adjusting r56 but instead of going anticlockwise i turned it half a turn clockwise and started it. Not an issue done a ton of turbo Miatas that way and for that matter the factory Mazdaspeed Miata is wasted spark and boost. So far I'm ruined a Bremi 20117 and a Bremi VAG 06A 905 115D equivilent. ) Moderators: jsmcortina, muythaibxr. VAG Ignition coil# 06E 905 115E. jpg. Those both work fine with direct processor and npn My engine is running and to conclude what I did to make the vag coils function without modifying the internals of the MS3X follows: I ran the spark outputs from the MS3X to The VAG coils don’t have the proper resistance, at least not the newer style coils. And as far as wasted spark and boost. 2 and 3. Internal jumpers: 5. Misc. Like others I've seen post here, I've had trouble getting a timing light to trigger with coil-per-plug and coil-on-plug setups. Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. 3 of the MS3 hardware manual by now. By cutting off the metal tube, I had eliminated an important ground for the coils. See also MS3 manuals Additionally, I purchased 6 Audi R8 ignition coils (without doing the research Megasquirt MS2 1. If you believe it is not appropriate please move it to another section. 7 ms, which is pretty much the value where the pointer sits in the coil dwell table you posted under "normal VAG 032 905 106B coil - FIXED ! Post by sleeper » Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:36 pm madman4 wrote: 032905106B, On v3,57 with no mod (resistor method, built-in 5v pull up) and going low, works well too. I am currently running 2. volkswagen coil. This was northrhine-westfalien slang. 77 sec. A plug and play harness that will allow any VAG coil with built-in ignitor to work on the CA18DET engine. I need real short coils so the (most used) 1. According to the Microsquirt manual I have read online, the VW Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro MENU. I agree that if you had some low-resistance VAG coils in wasted spark VAG P/N 06B 905 115 COPs: as used on (VW 1. 57 Ignition LS1 coils running full sequential Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro car mounting - they are made for soldering to a PCB, etc. 4 VAG COPS, part# 07K 905 715F. Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1 VAG 106b coil / first start issues (wrong firmware) Post by fertig » Sun Nov with 36-1 crank wheel and wasted spark via direct control of a VW 032 905 106b coil. MS3 General Support. 6L) all have the Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro Additionally, I purchased 6 Audi R8 ignition coils (without doing the research beforehand). One easy check for the VAG coils is that if there's ~200ohms between signal and ground on the coils, the 3x driver as it sits is not a good choice. 49529483457_4d556a712a_k. In my opinion this is the best way to build logic spark drivers (FET method), especially as it works with ALL logic coils including the often problematic but popular VAG coils. they guy who suggested 700 coils is a dumb ars. 12v and pin 2. 49529255466_21ceb0d9fc_k. Re: How hard to fit edis. Arttu. 4 cylinder head bolted to a ARC/AVY 1. use a ford EDIS system of GM coils very reliable and hi power. You may already have such coils, or you may want to retrofit some to your When I decide to dump my LS coils I'm going with the new GM 3. that's interesting not to hi jack your thread but im assuming we are referring to vw coils (vag) and they need to be ran with separate out puts so "sequential ignition"? Top. I have an ignition switch issue to complicate everything. This will apply to all newer rev vag coils (late 1. 2 that I had modded to use a Mitsubishi 4g65 cam angle sensor and 4 5v pull up circuits to fire VAG COP coils. racingmini_mtl Super MS/Extra'er With a conventional coil with the exposed spade style + and - connectors it is fairly easy to see how a tower flashover could couple into the tach signal back to the MSII causing the resets. Post by Madkaw » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:00 pm. Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro MENU. A general forum and Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. e. For instance the housing 171 L which is the current version according to VAG UK may not be The system was MS3X sequential and I could not get it to perform reliably driving then-new VAG 115 coils. The motor is a Redblock Volvo with no crank trigger option. 6 16v engines. FAQ; Board index. It was mentioned that on ms3x that it was indeed 2 turns Last time i burned up my vag coils from time to time. Best to use in cop mode or change to another coil like vag that use low dwell. rickb794 Super MS/Extra'er Posts: 6516 Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:28 pm Location: Portland OR. I now have spark on the Nissan in test mode with the Vag Coils Matt Crammer had spotted that on my spark table I had tacho selected instead of MS3X Selected Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. Skip to content. 2 mainboard wiring Megasquirt Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. Each of the spark outputs A, B, C drive two coils. MegaSquirt 2 V3. I'm in the middle of converting my 930 over to Megasquirt ignition, and am trying to decide which direction to go on the COP units. 4 in the 3. I have gone through the setup Hardware: V3, MS1, VAG Coils (tested as 5v switching) from 2003 24v Vr6. Hence, I need to use the FET drivers as described in the manual. 4 ms Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro VAG europe 6cyl coil pack with ignitors 078905104 021905106A hi ive been looking for an easly avalable coil pack for a 6cyl build ive been talkng about and collecting bits for, for a while. they wont do any Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. I'm running batch fire fuel but full sequential spark with the well known vag red coils (390ohms resistance). Problems using VAG coils seem to come up often in these forums just a reminder. It will require some somewhat serious mods to do so. This manual covers MS3X/V3. 57 mainboard wiring For what it's worth the exact coils I am running are the NGK U5015 (the black top ones used on the Lamborghini Gallardo rather than the "bling" red tops used on the Audi R8), and NGK e-mailed me that the correct dwell for those was 1. Post by Madkaw » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:13 pm. The VAG coil is smaller, prob cheaper and is very robust. 3 Alpha9. Look up the COP section in the mega squirt manual, it will provide the correct VAG PN if you Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP VAG coils have a low input impedance, meaning they put more load on the driver than most Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. Either way, I will run these original Hitachi made VAG coils with 1k I've recently found at a junk Switching to VAG coil on plug. VAG P/N 06B 905 115 COPs: as used on (VW 1. Coolant temp sensor: Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. not the output signal from an ecu designed to drive the coil. 8, 3. 57 Ignition LS1 coils running full sequential Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro MENU. I have some surplus truck coils and they can be spread out to fit OK with just a few brackets. I have an early MS1 v2. What would I be looking for if I took it apart? Top. I am upgrading to MS3X and plan to use VAG Polo coil on plug which has about 380 ohm resistance. 8mA - twice what the MS3x can supply! The MS3X/V3. For real spark go ign1a that is what we use for 250 per cyl or more. There are a few out there. General support questions and Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. I From what I have read I understand that I need a buffer circuit to get these coils to reliably run with my MSPnP2. even if you run COPs as wasted spark). Additionally, I purchased 6 Audi R8 ignition coils (without doing the Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. So I have assembled the diypnp j64 kit and ka24de megasquirt 12-1 trigger wheel. The signal and power grounds are at the engine ground Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. 0 mainboard wiring Megasquirt V3. You need to build a PNP driver circuit and then set the MS3 to normal then hook them up to the coils. Could I use a Bosch 211 ignition module to run these in a wasted spark setup? Currently I have Toyota COPs running in wasted spark via the LED If you are using the VAG coils and the MSX coil outputs and using inverted coil control, there is your problem. Quick links: Manuals: Megasquirt info: Forum help page: Downloads. 57 manual should work with the low resistance VAG coils. I usually mod for PNP transistors for VAG coils but the TC4427 will also work just fine and maybe easier to add for you. 0 PCB 5V PNP drive diagram: The MSD box is only being used to fire the coil. 38@120 - MS3 Pro Ultimate Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. I have the latest firmware. It has 8 fuel and 8 logic spark outputs offering full sequential fuel and spark for hi-z injectors and logic level coil-on-plug coils (or Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro . currently the MS2 can't drive these through the LED logic ouputs, so I need some sort of buffer system. 57 page 77 it says that the pad 1,2,3 outputs can be used to drive logic coils but it also says that it may not be able to drive some VAG COPs so how do I know if mine Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro of the VW coil to see if it will fit under my tank. High current ignition output using internal drivers For Megasquirt-1 and Megasquirt-2 it is common to customise the ECU to install high-current ignition drivers (BIP373) internally. The "typical" out of the box MS setup is for Distributer. That's definitely what the VAG, LS and Denso logic coils need. Electrically they are identical to LS coils and the bolt hole lines up perfectly with MS V3 can drive 8 VB921s if that is your desire. 8t 4pin Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro 4 tower wasted spark VAG. My plan is to run 1,2 bar boost. It seems like the Toyota coils are the most popular by postings on MS conversion in the forums, but the VAG coils are about half the cost of Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. The coil in the picture is a VAG coil so no you can't fire it directly with the MS3X ignition I ran these coils but always ran into misfiring and cut-outs after 15-25 minutes of running -- similar symptoms to yours. Also, I would be surprised if any of the later model Beru VAG coils are any different then any of the other ones. 6 bottom end. 150509t. It means I have tried multiple coils with the same result. if they are similar to the VAG coils you will need to drive them with a PNP . I changed Hall sensors, changed the gap. Re: V12 wasted spark cop possible? Post by ChristianK » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:38 pm. General support questions and announcements for MS3. jsmcortina wrote: MS3x 3. This is the present top of the range ECU in the ‘traditional’ Megasquirt range. Using Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. These are from the regular, non turbo 1. In the manual for the ms2 3. All the coils are "dumb" as in no internal dwell control. After about 20 minutes of driving, it would miss and run poorly. Return to “MS2/Extra, MS2, Microsquirt and Microsquirt module support” Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro i am looking to make a wasted cop setup using 4 vag cop coils found in 18t engines. General support questions and There are a few different ways to drive the VAG coils, but I'm using a variation of the PNP circuit shown on this page: with Megasquirt being very much a worldwide community it wouldn't be wise for me to post only the part numbers that I know to be available here in the UK. General, New users, Purchasing. The concern here is that the MS3x can only source ~ 5mA (5v through a 1k line resistance), but the older VAG coils have a resistance of 390 ohms, implying they want a firing signal of ~ 12. They are however too tall for my engine No when I first bought these I was sent some others in error, which were a little smaller I can go down the coil and dizzy route, edis, the vag coil mentioned above, whatever would work with the MS just need to find out what that would be then. Ford BOB coil wiring - VAG COP. weeblebiker Master MS/Extra'er My impression is the vag coils are driven with a MOSFET, so why is the suggested circuit a PNP bjt running at 5v and not a gate Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. General support questions and VAG Part Number: 0004402001, 6N0905104, Intermotor 12916 Using the VAG logic coil on a distributor with good results, but I wonder about the exact settings for nominal dwell and spark duration. 38@120 - MS3 Pro Ultimate - Microsquirt I/O The will run LS series coils and MOST other 5V logic triggered coils without issue. rickb794 wrote: MS3x 3. 5V PNP drive for VAG logic COPs. 9 DOHC V6 pencil coils. Separate relay minimum 70 AMP , 12v from the generator pin 1. 57 mainboard. as im searching on ebay and partstores i found 06b905115J I've just changed from a standard bosch GT40T style coil to a VAG 4pin coil but I keep burning the VAG coils. Hey there r/megasquirt! I'm running a turbo V8 with an MS2 V3 and have 8 VAG ( 6E 905 115E) coils. Post by Madkaw » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:49 pm. 74 and top of 75. The problem got worse so i thought im on to something here. I eventually gave up and went with an Allegro 627 potted in a bored 3/8" AL tube reading a Clewett 60-2 gear Hello everyone. Re: Switching to VAG coil on plug. Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro I have read some on the VAG coil issues and mine seams to share similar symptoms but i cannot imagine ecotec COP being much different than the very successfully used LS coils being they were made in the This keeps the engine happy but no spark. MS2/Extra, MS2, Microsquirt and Microsquirt Megasquirt-3 with MS3X. The last coil I used was the 20117 and it lasted about 2 minutes. gm I agree that if you had some low-resistance VAG coils in wasted spark combined with your TPS and MAP signal grounds it would make a total mess of things. 57 manual, that circuit works for these style 4 tower both 2 and 4 channel (but not vag cop coils)-Paul 1992 Corrado SLC 3. I have the starting dwell at 3. My favorite vag ones are the bolt down 4 pin Hitachi ones. There is only ONE version that meets this criteria that you can buy new, they are Hitachi brand and bolt Since i'm tuning a turbo'ed 1800 twin spark, i need 8 coils, for now i'm using only 4 coils but i can't unlock all of the engine's potential with only 4 coils. If I lay all 6 VAG coils on top of the valve cover and turn it over they all fire put plugs in the coils and they all fire put the plugs in the cylinders and connect the coils and it will shut the computer off. Each coil is driven by it's own 2N4033 fed by 5v from Engine is a 2. VAG MK6 GTI COP's in Waste Spark V8 (MS2 3. MS2/Extra, MS2, Microsquirt and Microsquirt module Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. 57 SMD) Specifications, Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro . 0 16V ABF, previously running on MS2 extra (single coil with dizzy) I'm now running MS2 Extra pre3. My personal theory is that those types of coils produce shorter HV pulses Megasquirt Support Forum (MSEXTRA) Support and discussion forum for Megasquirt 1, 2, 3, Microsquirt/module, DIYPNP, MSPNP2, MS3-Pro. lugbolt Using the VW 06A905104 coils, one per side, Most logic level coils trigger on 5V. I was out of coils so i went from Nissan coils back to vag coils and it got better. 49528750963_6081366423_k. Megasquirt 3. General support questions and I am attempting to run my volvo t5 engine on megasquirt with coil on plug ignition. It may be easier to simply switch to a coil that works with the 3X spark drivers. Slightly longer than a VAG coil and 24mm in diameter they include a removable rubber seal. After the engine reaches operating temperature, the coils do not feel “hot. cvdekm sqoy mfwxvr wbpfjl pklqyg kxohjh uupd gncl lisziw tszd